BOOBS! A lighthearted discourse on a serious issue in martial arts

If you and I have ever sat down for a chat, you know that the last thing I usually care to do is bring up my ladyparts.  Being a professional and a fighter is difficult enough without anyone’s calling attention to the fact that you’re “different”–which even in this age is unfortunately the case.  But tonight I’m throwing away my usual caution to discuss a weakness in the martial arts community of which I’ve only recently become fully aware.

I live in Italy now, and I’ll be honest–I don’t actually know if the culture here is to blame for this strange form of discrimination.  But I will say that from my experience the gender binary here is massively more concrete than even that of my native (and ultra-conservative) Arkansas.  Men do things one way, and women another.  In the week we spent at circus school last December, for instance, regardless of strength and flexibility test scores we were separated by sex and those bearing vaginas were given less difficult workout and technique regimens than those with penises.  Don’t tell my coach, but I had to secure a spy on the boys’ team so that I could do their workouts in secret after hours.  I’ve also got plans to vote and wear pants.  But keep it on the D.L.

But when it comes to martial arts, I guess I always saw some things as sacred.  I was greatly blessed to have spent my childhood under the discipline of a sensei who saw past my exterior and spent enormous amounts of time and energy cultivating my skills–not as a female martial artist, but as a fighter and showman.  And sure, since he and I parted ways I’ve seen my share of discrimination.  Women who aren’t given the opportunity to fight men, girls required to wear limiting chest protection, girls not allowed to learn techniques because their instructors refuse to practice full-out with them.  And I’d start on “women’s self defense,” but after a few hours you and I would both want to shoot something.  

When I first started looking for a school here, I did find the usual annoyances mentioned above.  I chuckle to remember my first “outing” myself as a martial artist at a stage combat workshop in Britain, which I admittedly did out of frustration because we were doing takedowns and the muscle-clad bloke with the torn-off sleeves wouldn’t secure a wrist lock on me because, “I just want to be careful with you.”  When I casually informed him that after nineteen years in martial arts I’d rather no one be careful with me but just DO THE DAMN TECHNIQUE, his reply made my jaw drop to the floor like a cartoon.  ”Well yeah, but…have you ever fought a man?”  

Since that interaction I’ve found that a lot of women in the European martial arts world really don’t fight men.  Which confounds me on a personal level because many women study martial arts to defend themselves from men.  It’s kind of the point.  So his question really was innocent enough.  But why?

The first martial arts school in my town that I attended was a Shotokan school.  One of the styles I have experience in as a teacher is Okinawan Kempo, and having fought several Shotokan guys I have always admired their fire and strength.  Wouldn’t mind gettin’ me some of that knowledge.  While watching their children’s class I was asked to stand and teach my version of Pinan Sandan (their Heian Sandan) so that they could see how similar the two are.  I was ecstatic, and the kids were great.  But when it came time for my “free trial” adult class, after being told to just do the forms the way I know them and being refused when I asked to learn their style, it came time for kumite.  It wasn’t freestyle sparring, and I was happy for that.  Instead the instructor gave us a complicated drill and my male partner and I were told to spend some time figuring out how the drill worked for our bodies.  Of course there were takedowns, and of course my companion refused to do anything that might break my porcelain self, but I could deal with that.  That’s life in martial arts if you present as feminine.  But what made me leave the school forever was what happened next.  Two or three tries in, my partner and I were still figuring out how to make the combination work.  So instead of helping us along, he separated us, taught the boy alone, and then informed me that “you’re a woman and are more likely to get raped than get in a fight, so you should focus on things that are easy for you to do like groin kicks and strikes to sensitive areas.”  And that was the last time I saw them.

Now, I tell you all that to tell you this.  I’ve found an amazing Kungfu school with a teacher I would gladly go into battle for.  The man is a genius, and his fairness and patience in class are downright mindblowing. But I’m three weeks into classes now, and I’m starting to notice a disturbing trend.  

First it was just a minor annoyance, in the beginner class.  I was exclusively being paired with women, and the women in that class invariably showed up late, were afraid of their own weapons, got bored of drills easily and stopped working when they’d had enough, and attempted at every turn to pull me into gossip and man-hating even in the middle of class.  Let it be recorded that I never said men were entirely responsible for discrimination against women.  But it did mean that I had to fight for partners who wanted to work hard and challenge me as much as I challenged them.  I want to go into a story from last week when a woman who refused to cut her fingernails put me in a wristlock during drills and sliced my finger open, but it’s not so relevant.  Buy me tea and we’ll talk sometime.

But discrimination–with the best intentions–became dangerous when my first male partner in the beginner class punched me in the throat during Wing Chun drills because he was trying to avoid punching me in the chest.  I’ve since been promoted to the advanced class and the same thing happens with blue sashes.  The only person who will punch my pectoral muscles (where it hurts the least) is our maestro.  The one other girl in our class punches me constantly in my shoulder joint in front of my deltoid, and I don’t know what that’s about but it feels better than my clavicle and certainly better than my trachea.  But the men in the class, in an effort to avoid punching my sensitive, feminine breasts, have even gone so far as to punch me in the face because of this strange stigma that hitting a female martial artists in the chest is wrong.

Here’s the kicker.  And again I’ll say there’s no doubt in my mind that our maestro has the best intentions for all of his students.  But when Giulia (a blue sash) and I were running drills today he corrected her, saying, “and then you want to punch her here [point at sternum].  Or a little higher because she’s female.”  It was an instruction!  These boys have been taught to do this!  It’s not only geographical/cultural!

Now that the fire alarms in my brain have quieted I still want to write this article, not because I’m angry with the way things are but because I am genuinely worried about the women in my field.  Can they handle themselves?  Of course they can.  Can they survive an undefended strike to the windpipe during a drill?  I don’t really want to find out.

So here are some facts and opinions from my experience in martial arts, for what it’s worth.  I have been punched square in the breasts all of my life.  It’s part of fighting, and many schools believe that experiencing pain in a controlled environment is a healthy way to train for experiencing the same pain on the street.  It’s like police getting pepper-sprayed in training.  You just have to deal with it because knowing how to handle the situation might save your life.  Also, there’s a level of desensitization.  Which is great for those of us who fight on a regular basis.  When I step into the ring I don’t really want to be fretting over what might happen if my opponent punches the most obvious and easy target on my body.  

Scientifically (someone please tell me if my research has overlooked something) there is no proof whatsoever that impact to the breasts can cause cancer.  My mother, bless her heart, told me that when I was twelve to get me to stop fighting.  I looked it up then, I’ve looked it up today, and nothing has changed.  It might also be worth mentioning that I never wore chest protection.  There are some schools that require male and female combatants to wear chest protection, and I won’t disrespect the decision.  But it’s my personal preference to fight in situations that are as realistic as safely possible.  Plus those chest protectors limit movement so extremely that one has to relearn to fight without them, putting him or her in choppy waters when it comes to tournament or real-life scenarios.

Here’s a breast:

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That’s about as sexy as this post gets.  Sorry, readers.  But look at all of that muscle and fat.  Punching us in the sternum or our upper pectorals isn’t going to do anything if we’re trained to fight.  And if you manage to punch us square in the nipple, though I’d say you need to spend more time on targeting training the fact is it just doesn’t hurt that much.  Especially if the woman you’re fighting is wearing a well-fitting sports bra as any athlete should.  But to compare, let’s see what’s going on inside the throat:

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Yeesh.  Your opponent’s ability to breathe, to swallow food, and to verbally communicate.  That sucks.  A lot.  You’re doing no one a favour by straying up there with a full-contact punch during drills.

Am I saying to punch women in the breasts?  Of course not.  While not the same as kicking a man in the testicles (I don’t know why people keep saying that but ladies, the lads have it worse and we’ll have to accept that), it’s not pleasant and they’re such easy targets that it’s not worth wasting time targeting them.  But when you have a drill that involves strikes to the chest, there are strong muscles and heavily supported bone that feel exactly like that of male fighters to protect us from impact.  And if you are still learning specificity and are afraid that you will stray too far south and land on our jiggly bits, remind yourself that every one of us would rather have a bruised breast than a collapsed windpipe.  Don’t let your fear force you to overcompensate and make a severely damaging mistake.  And if it’s just too much despite all this information, then please inform your instructor that you are uncomfortable and sit this one out until you do feel prepared.  Because we are fighters.  Not female fighters.  Not dangerous vajay-jays or battling bazongas.  We fight because we love the art.  We fight because we want to survive.  Some of us are spiritual, others practical, others artistic.  Most are a mix of all of these.  But when I fight, I can tell you in all earnestness that the last thing on my mind is my sex.  I’d appreciate the same on the other side.

14 Responses

  1. fightgypsy

    You know, the observation that I found the most interesting in this is that about your female classmates’ behaviour. Once again, I ask myself if the treatment in class has influenced their choice to gossip and not work, or is it the gossip/work ethic that has influenced the teacher’s treatment of them. I tend to think that it’s a vicious circle, never more frustrating than when you’re trying to change it. This is on top of the cultural and gender issues.

    I never got far enough in my martial training to experience in the dojo what you are going through, but I have certainly had the “porcelain girl” syndrome in combat classes. Not only am I female, but I am older. Young bucks are afraid to hurt me. I don’t want to be mean, but it makes it tempting to purposely put the pain on them to wake them up. Since I experience this at a regional workshop level, the continued working relationship of the extended class or week to week work in the dojo doesn’t exist. I therefore must choose to ‘play nice.’ Oh well. I know I’m badass, so it doesn’t really matter if *they* know or not. In an extended training scenario, though, it would drive me mad.

    Hang in there, Rowan. The only way any of this changes is if we shed light on it, talk about it, and stand up for ourselves. You are strong and intelligent, and if anyone can make a difference, it’s you.

    April 28, 2012 at 00:22

  2. gabrielfaith

    I am in much agreement with you on this.

    Going off the boob-punching discussion, I’m curious about your feelings on a related subject which I don’t remember hearing from any (limited) martial arts instructors but I hear all the time from stage combat instructors for safety and comfort: punch boys below the belly button and girls above. Which is an instruction that varies in its certainty (sometimes it’s just “I’ve noticed women tend to prefer their contact stomach punches higher than men), but has never been my preference as the victim—neither when I identified as female nor now as a boy who still has the same anatomy as before. So I wonder how much of it is true for other uterus-having people and how much of it is just parroted stereotypes related to… I don’t know, avoid the uterine area? Even though abdominal muscles are better to hit than diaphragm or floating ribs? I don’t think I’ve ever heard a good explanation for why women prefer being hit higher or how accurate it actually is.

    May 7, 2012 at 08:58

    • That’s really interesting, Gabriel. I’ve honestly never heard anyone say to punch boys below the belly button. I know I personally prefer it above, but the men I’ve fought have tended to want the same. For me, it’s because my upper abs are stronger than my lower ones and I know I can take harder impact about three inches above my navel.

      I’d be curious to hear from the people who do consider that a general rule.

      June 23, 2012 at 22:25

  3. Female here…and MMA enthusiast/participant. A different angle on the subject of breast dangers from my point of view/experience. When you use a hard cup protector, you get a reverberation pain when you get hit-something many of us smaller chested women HATE. Sports bras, while looking at the legit benefits, if it doesn’t fit, it will NOT work. Also, there is a psych about having your chest compressed by anything, and, again, some of us don’t like it. Our group is required, both in training as well as officiated matches to wear groin protection-we are NOT required to wear breast protection, but only COVERAGE during officated matches. During training, we do 3 minute roundsx5 rounds, and several of us, myself included, train topless/bare from the waist up. Over the course of the 25 or so minutes of training fighting, I catch probably 20-50 direct blows to the breasts-this out of 150 blows in general. I can handle the individual impacts, painwise. Given adrenaline effects, the pain for me is bearable. The cutperson/trainers job is to observe and evaluate the damage being done to their respective fighters body-which means they observe impacts, angles, bodily reactions, and can do it clinically, without needing to think thru the fog of pain or exhaustion. I generally will swell from a 34B to a 34C during a half hour stint. After every round, my trainer presses around on my chest, feeling for soft spots-indicitave of displaced tissue. He has never found one, so I have always been able to finish in form. Remember, also, during officiated fights, points are DEDUCTED for deliberate targeting of breasts, regardless of if they are bare, protected, or armored.

    June 16, 2012 at 20:54

    • Thank you so much for this information, Jill.

      June 23, 2012 at 22:26

  4. Lexi

    Thanks for this post. I am also a woman martial artist. I’ve been training for almost three years now. Thus far, the groups I have practiced with (all co-ed) have been blessedly free of ego and machismo. They have also all been very small classes, so there wasn’t the “luxury” of being able to pair up based upon size or gender. Whoever shows up practices with whoever else shows up. I think that this is a better way to train, and it’s good to be used to working with a variety of different body types.

    Both styles that I’ve trained in emphasize doing partner exercises or what we called “two-person kata” (an honest attack & an honest response, but both the attack and response have been determined in advance.) So the dynamic is admittedly different than fighting or sparring.

    I still get mildly annoyed if someone strikes me in the breasts (I think, “hey, that’s my boob!”) but this is more due to social conditioning that that is a “rude” or “unacceptable” form of contact, rather than a reaction to pain. Sometimes my uke kicked or hit my breast by accident, when he or she was actually aiming for the solar plexus area, a target which would have hurt more. (I dislike solar plexus strikes, as a hard hit can knock the wind right out of you. However, I agree that it’s valuable training to get used to pain while practicing in a safe environment.) If breast contact occurs in training, I don’t make a big deal over it.

    The sternum is an eminently safe target and it’s baffling that your training partners and instructors kept substituting a dangerous target for a safe one out of misplaced courtesy. My former teacher would sometimes ask female students to guard their chest area with one arm, so that he could do a strike or throw that he wouldn’t feel comfortable doing on us otherwise. That’s not exactly ideal- but it’s an acceptable work-around. It can contribute to bruised arms, but it’s safe enough, and satisfies etiquette.

    If one was teaching a youth class that included adolescent girls, there would be much more of a reason to avoid hitting the breasts- they are much more sensitive to pain at that stage of development. (Likewise, women who are breastfeeding infants or going through certain hormonal changes.) Still, this means paying close attention to targeting, not just choosing alternate targets at random to avoid the breast area.

    It is true that male martial artists actually have it worse than we do in regards to vulnerable body parts. Sometimes I think there was a cosmic lottery- on the one side you get “having to deal with menstruation” and on the other side you get “having much more reason to fear groin kicks.” I’ve had it happen that I was accidentally kicked in the groin during practice, and while that was quite unpleasant, it was not incapacitating. However, I witnessed a male classmate accidentally kicked in the groin- and though he is a strong, tough guy, he immediately turned pale and had to sit down on the floor.

    Thanks again for the post,
    Lexi

    June 21, 2012 at 01:58

  5. Lexi

    (By the way, I didn’t mean that strikes to the breasts don’t hurt, just that there are other points that hurt just as much or more, but which aren’t associated with an emotional reaction or an etiquette faux pas.)

    June 21, 2012 at 22:51

  6. I am a man. I teach Wing Chun Kung Fu in Barbados. I feel it is the best art for a woman to use for self defense because it teaches women how to use a stronger opponents strength against them. Also, the toughest place to hit a women who practices wing chun is in the breast. It is tightly guarded. ( chastity belt style for the breast) I am not knocking the brawling take a punch to the breast type of gal. But if you can avoid getting hit in the breast why not avoid it. Let’s face it the breast is not a piece of meat that needs tenderizing. so you can have your cake and eat it to. You can rough it up and protect the breast if you practice wing chun. If you ever get hit in the breast I suggest a massage ( self or partner- which ever works for you) of ‘Dit Da Jow’. Chinese bruise medicine. If you are ever in Barbados look me up for lunch. My treat once I have money in my pocket.

    June 22, 2012 at 04:42

  7. Peter

    Interesting experiences! Here I’ll address both my view on the causes of such discrimination/”discrimination”, and then my two cents on getting rid of such problems.

    In martial arts, as elsewhere in western society, women tend to be their own worst enemies. Of course we can’t really blame the women, cause it’s all about the way we’ve all been brought up and made to conform to society’s roles and rules of conformity. Through all my years of practicing and instructing martial arts, I’ve trained with many women. The vast majority belongs to the category that says “I’ll leave the sparring and fighting to you boys”, or who tells me to pull my punches, even when she’s holding a thick pad, or to hold back when executing my judo throws, so they don’t have to experience any hardships in training. For lack of a better word, many women take on a patronizing (or should I say matronizing) attitude, communicating that fighting is for men, and not really in their female natures, and making excuses, like “bear with me, I’m just an old hag/baby doll whose bones and/or nails break easily.” And then of course there is a minority, who are actually serious practioneers, such as yourself, strong in body and spirit.

    With that in mind, and with all the cultural taboo and garbage surrounding the female parts of pride, I can to some degree understand that a lot of men in the martial arts are despicably hesitant about touching/hitting boobs. Putting too much pressure to participate fully, on these “I’m too fragile to train properly”-women, could easily cost the instructor a lot of female students, which has both economic and social implications. So many instructors instead try to adjust the training to woman’s percieved weakness.

    So a macro level solution must obviously involve women acknowledging that they are in fact not weak, but extremely strong and capable, also when it comes to fighting and martial training. Men also need to clear the cultural garbage and sex-mindedness off their mental hard-drive.

    This’ll take both time and a collective effort. But in the meanwhile every woman can stand up for herself, spine erect, eyes firm, and demand she be treated equal, in every respect. In my experience, there’s no help as powerful as self help.

    Let me show you what I mean: Once, many years ago, I must have been around twenty or so, and as I had just earned my yellow belt in Judo, I was finally allowed to train with the intermediate/advanced players. Doing newaza (ground work), I was lying on my back, more or less holding my own against my somewhat smaller, but more skilled, opponent in a half-guard. As I was pushing out with my arms, I suddenly found myself with a fistful of boob, filling my palm. A bit puzzled, I hesitated for half a second. My training partner, however, did no such thing, and promptly broke out of my half-guard, tying me up, to the point that I had no chance whatsoever of getting out, and I subsequently tapped. I was very impressed with her decisiveness and no-nonsense attitude, and since then, whenever I found myself in close contact with private parts while on the mat, be they boobs, vaginas balls, I think nothing of it, and just go on. And whenever I’m about to introduce teenagers to Judo or other martial arts or contact sports, I just tell this story, and none of them have ever reported any awkwardness, or things like you’re describing.

    So to make the transfer to your sensing hands drills and such: Whenever they’re going easy on you, make them pay (or even hurt?)! Every time. And if you ain’t getting paired up with the men, it doesn’t hurt to express your discontent with the situation. And about those shots to the trachea: Tell them where to hit, and why, but also guard your throat. (If you’re a 20 or 30 year veteran of the martial arts, as I think I read somewhere here, you should know how to do it, and also not to trust your training partner with your safety too much, especially when you’re aware of this particular danger.)

    Reading through my comment, I realize I may sound like yet another patronizing male, telling women what to do… But can live with that, if the info I provide can somehow be of help to someone out there.

    June 23, 2012 at 01:53

    • No Peter, I sincerely appreciate your taking the time to share your opinion and experience. I agree that women have to make an effort to be equal in the ring if they want to be treated that way, and I’ve often had the “chicken or egg” battle with regard to how women are perceived in martial arts. It’s great to hear from you gentlemen! Thank you.

      June 23, 2012 at 22:30

  8. One issue that I didn’t see mentioned was unwanted sexual contact, which could include touching breasts. We’re taught that we are never allowed to touch breasts, as it’s a crime (e.g. http://www.sacasa.org/about.htm). If we touch a woman’s breast, in the context of a martial arts studio, could somebody accuse the hitter of unwanted sexual contact of the breast, which is a felony (Class 3 felony if the victim is under 15; Class 5 felony if victim is 15-18., otherwise Class 2).

    What kind of contract could we sign that makes it ok, i.e. not a felony? Furthermore, anyone under 18 could probably not be able to give consent to this kind of hitting under the law. That makes it a sticky legal situation, although I’m certainly no lawyer.

    September 20, 2012 at 14:08

    • Tom, thank you for your response. I have to say that I just don’t know. I’ve been fortunate enough to train in schools where sexual abuse wasn’t really an issue that came up. But I did read an article a few years back about a female white belt (in Taekwondo, I think) who filed a lawsuit against her male instructor for touching her foot while correcting her side kick technique. And I believe she won. So yes, it seems that is always a danger. And I lament that. Until everyone on the gender spectrum is able to behave maturely and not use the divide for personal gain, true equality will never be achieved.

      December 6, 2012 at 22:51

  9. This is a very interesting article. I always thought that females have it hard in the Arab world, but it seems I was wrong. I’m a Lebanese (that’s Lebanon, middle east of Asia), black belt in Taekwondo. I’ve fought everyone, male, female, even our grandmaster. No rules ever separated females from males in the dojang. The intensity of our training varies according to rank, not to gender. Obviously in official tournaments gender division is compulsory, but I’ve had the opportunity to fight pretty much every size, height, weight and have learned a lot. Good luck and keep kicking!

    October 13, 2012 at 03:25

  10. Hello Rowan, thank you for writing such an interesting article. I train in Wing Chun myself and like you, share the attitude of wanting to be treated the same in martial arts training. It is a shame when even though you’ve expressed and given permission for people to hit you/treat equally, etc. they don’t. It is an unkindness and even harmful to training because you’re not able to experience or get used to the shock and impact of being hit, whatever part of the body.

    Having trained in this particular style for a little over 2 years and worked with the same group (of which are mostly men, and much bigger than me) they’ve come to treat me very much the same and not afraid to throw a hard hit in the knowledge that I won’t fall a part. (I was a little concerned whenever I got a strong direct hit in either side of the chest area, but thanks to your article they’ve been dispelled!)

    It would seem that for women (at least in my case) I’ve had to work my way up to show that I’m not fragile, and can deliver just a hard a hit if not more than the average Joe.

    All in all, I think if the lady gets herself into martial arts and asks to be hit, do her the kindness and deliver. Who’s to say it has to be 100% power straight away? If men are really that worried, why not start off light and work it up. Humans are adaptable creatures. By learning to take an impact, especially to the chest, can better our survival chance when confronted in real life; lest we freeze up by surprise because we weren’t expected to being hit there!

    Now I’ve been bashed and thrown around quite a bit during training, but it’s the best thing to get you into that adrenaline run, survival instinct mentality, and truly put your skills to the test, rather than being nannied over.

    Again, thanks for the article. Really got me thinking.

    October 24, 2012 at 22:01

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